KNIME Analytics Platform vs. Pentaho

KNIME Analytics Platform has vastly improved our effectiveness when working with large data sets. The self documenting GUI allows analysts to focus on what they are trying to accomplish, not complex code syntax. If we were to use traditional tools, like SQL, work would take much longer and it would be more difficult to collaborate both internally and with clients. Since KNIME Analytics Platform is database oriented, some spreadsheet functions are not supported, which is as it should be. For small data sets we often use Excel vlookup and pivot tables in place of KNIME Analytics Platform. If VBA code is requried, we go to KNIME Analytics Platform as we find VBA to be unstable in Excel.

Pentaho is very well suited to perform data extraction & data mining from various cloud storage & transform that data using various available data models. However, the software struggles when it comes to visualizing the extracted data in an appealing manner & can be difficult for end-users to get an understanding of data tables created using those models.

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• Visual programming as oppose to scripting encourages data analysts to reap deeper insights from their data
• Large community contribution in extending the KNIME Analytics Platform into other areas of analytics, e.g. Text Analytics, Predictive Analytics, ML, etc.
• Open source with periodic updates ensures it is equipped to deal with the most sophisticated data analytics use case

• Integrate and synchronize with big data easily
• Import data from any sources and different databases
• Managing data in on-premise, hybrid and cloud environments.
• Compatibility and flexibility of the platform with any type of scenario and any business or industry
• Various tools in the software suite to transformation of data
• Simple interface appearance and creative UI graphics

• Automation - e.g. RapidMiner Studio provides a Turbo Prep function, where one can get to working on models more quickly (RapidMiner is not open source though)
• KNIME does not replace a regular reporting tool - it is not meant to. However, if I have already spent some time developing a data acquisition and analytical model, it would be nice to be able to deploy, for example, a monitoring or reporting module that would process data autonomously and react accordingly.

Incentivized

• I think the relative obscurity of the tool is a downside, not as many developers, consultants or peers you can tap into.
• Lack of a solid user community held us back, looking at Power BI and Qlik, they have huge user communities that help each other out. Would have liked that here.
• Smaller company means smaller sales force, and the lack of a local presence made it hard to only interact online with the account rep. Other companies have someone local who often stops by with pre-sales developers to just pitch in free of charge when they have time.

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We are happy with Knime product and their support. Knime AP is versatile product and even can execute Python scripts if needed. It also supports R execution as well; however, it is not being used at our end

I will use Pentaho until I find a better tool with a better, easier to use report designer client. For now, Pentaho has been the most powerful reporting tool for our clients because of its ability to connect to Odoo, integrate in Odoo (reports are accessible in Odoo) and the flexibility in report design and parameter integration

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The training KNIME Analytics Platform provide helps you get to grips with a product that is already very intuitive. There is a KNIME Analytics Platform way of thinking about addressing problems, but once you understand a couple of patterns which you see again and again in your workflow it all makes sense.

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Even if Pentaho requires less technical skills to develop a pipeline or ETL project, its learning curve can be a bit slow since there are many ways to do the same thing as in any other platform. However, in Pentaho, some things can be confusing some moments for non-technical teams.

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KNIME's HQ is in Europe, which makes it hard for US companies to get customer service in time and on time. Their customer service also takes on average 1 to 2 weeks to follow up with your request. KNIME's documentation is also helpful but it does not provide you all the answers you need some of the time.

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We are an Enterprise customer. They handle problems INSTANTLY when they are critical, including initiation an immediate WebEx screen share call when needed. Smaller/less-critical problems are handled within 1-2 days -- and NEVER fall off their radar, no matter how small. As needed, we can also leverage "professional services" from them -- much of which is included in our Enterprise contract. Finally, when a problem I have discovered turns out to be a bug..they create a JIRA for the fix, and make me a watcher. I love seeing notes come in showing me status updates of bugs filed because of something I found. They really are TOP-NOTCH.

Course Taken: DI1000 Pentaho Data Integration Fundamentals Setup A week before your class started, the instructor will start sending out class material and lab setup instructions. This is helpful so that you understand how the environment is laid out and can start reviewing the content. Ultimately it saved about a 1/2 day trying to setup with 10 other people online which was great! The Course The 3-day course was laid out like many other technical classes with 15-30 minutes instruction and 15-60 minutes of lab exercises. The instructor was very knowledgeable with the functionality from version to version and answered questions as we went along. I was amazed at some of the functionality that was available that I was not using at the time and quickly implemented changes to many existing transformations and jobs. The novice users seemed to catch on quickly and more experienced users explained how some of the functionality was used in their home environments. Towards the end there was enough time so that we were able to ask very directed questions about our own environments. Overall, I really found the class to be informative and deliver enough information to be dangerous. My skills improved and I was able to design better and efficient transformations for the HIE. Course Description: https://training.pentaho.com/instructor-led-training/pentaho-data-integration-fundamentals-di1000

KNIME Analytics Platform is easy to install on any Windows, Mac or Linux machine. The KNIME Server product that is currently being replaced by the KNIME Business Hub comes as multiple layers of software and it took us some time to set up the system right for stability. This was made harder by KNIME staff's deeper expertise in setting up the Server in Linux rather than Windows environment. The KNIME Business Hub promises to have a simpler architecture, although currently there is no visibility of a Windows version of the product.

Incentivized

Get the right people in before starting implementation. Start small and build as you go approach is time consuming and involves lot of rework. Evangalize within the organization the capabilities and limitations equally so that correct delivery expectations are set. Set expectations with the Customer that the tool cannot replace proprietary software in terms of stability/usability and that timelines could change given the new ness of the product.

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There are two aspects which put KNIME Analytics Platform ahead of other products. Firstly the fact that KNIME Analytics Platform comes at no cost and no restrictions on its use is an instant winner for any organisation wanting to democratise their data. It means that a client is free to install it on as many machines as they wish without worrying about costs, the number of seats required or payment models or procurement negotiation. It also means that we are not building costs into our clients business. Secondly, KNIME Analytics Platform has a very comprehensive set of tools for importing/exporting data, data manipulation and data science. Some products offer analytics packages on top of their base offering at additional cost and they are still not as comprehensive as what you get with KNIME Analytics Platform for free. For some types of analysis you may require to download additional packages with KNIME Analytics Platform, but its invariably at no cost, those packages are kept out of the main download to keep the size down. Due to the easy integration with R and Python, I view KNIME Analytics Platform as also having the capabilities of those languages too. This has helped me in the past with seamlessly importing a rare filetype and using very specific models not directly available in KNIME Analytics Platform.

Incentivized

Perhaps Snowflake and SalesForce have some components which align with the Pentaho tools. The Pentaho tools have integrations with these technologies to add more value to the final users. Perhaps the only weakness I can honestly find in the Pentaho tools right now is the lack of a powerful web interface for data transformations. There is a web component from which you can access existing data transformations created with the Pentaho Data Integration tool. Still, the web component only allows visualization of the data transformation and remote execution. A complete web interface with remote execution would be excellent, and I'm sure that we might see something like this available at some point in the future.

Incentivized

• It is suited for data mining or machine learning work but If we're looking for advanced stat methods such as mixed effects linear/logistics models, that needs to be run through an R node.
• Thinking of our peers with an advanced visualization techniques requirement, it is a lagging product.

Incentivized

• Pentaho has improved our overall business process.
• Pentaho has helped the Managers and Directors to analyze the numbers going up and down from time to time.
• We have a started a big project using Pentaho that is going to include all the business processes in the organization.

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